EREV

[awd]

like many of us, i am excited to see what the new UEV platform will bring, and will consider ordering one depending on specs / pricing / capability.

does anyone see Ford offering a gas powered range extender option on the UEV pickup or any other model? i know they said the next Lightning will have one, but if it's priced much higher than the UEV vehicles, it may not make sense for many on a budget.

if they offered a series hybrid option at launch (and the truck has a reasonable towing capacity), i would most likely order one, as then i know i can make it to all the remote places i want to go explore and camp in. right now i'm leaning towards other vehicle options to be able to do the cross country road trips i've been planning.

 

[Sal]

Unless Ford abandons the current Maverick platform, I would expect the them to keep the Maverick with an extended range Phev as their extended range option with an ICE engine. The other models referenced for this platform were SUVs and as I recall three row seat vehicles.
This is just my opinion, I am not knowledgable about the way the marketing department segments their five year plans.

 

[Sal]

https://b17news.com/fords-30000-ev-truck-is-coming-in-2027-heres-what-we-know/

this article references the vehicles being considered for this platform.

 

[awd]

https://b17news.com/fords-30000-ev-truck-is-coming-in-2027-heres-what-we-know/

this article references the vehicles being considered for this platform.

i've seen the silhouette graphics that the article references.. i look forward to seeing how much interior cargo space the vans will have if / when produced.

if they make vans on the UEV platform similar in size to the Transit City that was recently released in Europe, one of those would be a great option, especially if they have 300+ miles of range and a camping mode to keep climate control running all night when sleeping inside. a larger van with this much range could work quite well for cross country travel, without necessarily needing to tow a trailer nor needing a range extender.

 

[awd]

Unless Ford abandons the current Maverick platform, I would expect the them to keep the Maverick with an extended range Phev as their extended range option with an ICE engine. The other models referenced for this platform were SUVs and as I recall three row seat vehicles.
This is just my opinion, I am not knowledgable about the way the marketing department segments their five year plans.

i look forward to seeing what they do offer in the future on the Maverick. right now it looks like the best options for my trips are one of those with a trailer, or a full size van.

 

[ScooterAsheville]

Most auto industry analysts say that EREV is best suited for full-size pickups. Because those are the trucks doing the heavy duty cycle, and requiring 100+ kwh battery packs. But that doesn't mean that some OEM won't take it down the product range... If they think enough people want it.

EREV is a weird animal. Like hybrid, you have two powertrain technologies in one vehicle. So you're doing this balancing act between saving money with a smaller capacity battery pack and spending money and adding complexity to integrate ICE. I'm glad I'm not that engineer.

 

[thum]

Most auto industry analysts say that EREV is best suited for full-size pickups. Because those are the trucks doing the heavy duty cycle, and requiring 100+ kwh battery packs. But that doesn't mean that some OEM won't take it down the product range... If they think enough people want it.

EREV is a weird animal. Like hybrid, you have two powertrain technologies in one vehicle. So you're doing this balancing act between saving money with a smaller capacity battery pack and spending money and adding complexity to integrate ICE. I'm glad I'm not that engineer.

A plug in hybrid has a complicated car where the electric motor or the gas engine can power the drive wheels. You can operate at a lower power with one of them or combine the HP when needed.

EREV is only a single powertrain. It’s a much simpler design of an EV with an attached generator. The computer tells the generator when to kick on based on remaining battery, if you are towing it would kick on sooner to keep the battery up, or you can have it on pure EV mode where the generator only kicks on when the battery is nearly dead. The computer is complicated, but the mechanics are quite simple.

For a full sized truck an EREV would usually be the best option, as the only way to get good range on a full size truck with our current battery tech is to make it almost unaffordable. Adding $2-4000 for a small V6 or i4 to offset $10,000-15,000 by cutting the battery in half. A SilveradoEv is 53k for standard range 72k for long range and 91k for max. For 120, 170 and 205 kWh. They could likely do a 70kwh pack with 120-140 miles of range and an i4 for under 45k, around the same price as their gas powered truck with the same trim. And it won’t compromise towing at all.

 

[awd]

Most auto industry analysts say that EREV is best suited for full-size pickups. Because those are the trucks doing the heavy duty cycle, and requiring 100+ kwh battery packs. But that doesn't mean that some OEM won't take it down the product range... If they think enough people want it.

EREV is a weird animal. Like hybrid, you have two powertrain technologies in one vehicle. So you're doing this balancing act between saving money with a smaller capacity battery pack and spending money and adding complexity to integrate ICE. I'm glad I'm not that engineer.

hopefully we do see EREV's in lower cost vehicles. some have said that most vehicles will be hybrids in the near future. if people aren't yet ready for full EV's, a gas engine that only acts as a generator would be a great solution for the transition time to all electric, and would help introduce people to the benefits of a fully electric drivetrain without the concern of running out of fuel in rural / remote places where charger infrastructure doesn't yet exist.

some say that hybrids are more complex, though if the gas engine is solely a generator and not in any way connected to the wheels, then overall the vehicle should be simpler than a regular internal combustion engine. the EV itself is very simple with almost no maintenance required, and the gas engine / generator would be pretty simple and only require oil changes every so often (and maybe a new belt after a very long time). the transmission, long driveshafts to the rear axle, and other ICE components wouldn't be required. regarding packaging / design, the gas engine could simply replace the frunk (or reduce its size), or since it's not connected to the drivetrain, it could be placed somewhere else, such as at the rear where spare tire normally goes (like Scout is planning on doing on their Harvester models) though hopefully a spare tire is still included and can be carried somewhere else.

i think we'll be seeing more series hybrids in the not so distant future (even if some end up like the upcoming Nissan e-Power system where you can't actually plug it in, but drivetrain to wheels is still fully electric).

 

[awd]

A plug in hybrid has a complicated car where the electric motor or the gas engine can power the drive wheels. You can operate at a lower power with one of them or combine the HP when needed.

EREV is only a single powertrain. It’s a much simpler design of an EV with an attached generator. The computer tells the generator when to kick on based on remaining battery, if you are towing it would kick on sooner to keep the battery up, or you can have it on pure EV mode where the generator only kicks on when the battery is nearly dead. The computer is complicated, but the mechanics are quite simple.

For a full sized truck an EREV would usually be the best option, as the only way to get good range on a full size truck with our current battery tech is to make it almost unaffordable. Adding $2-4000 for a small V6 or i4 to offset $10,000-15,000 by cutting the battery in half. A SilveradoEv is 53k for standard range 72k for long range and 91k for max. For 120, 170 and 205 kWh. They could likely do a 70kwh pack with 120-140 miles of range and an i4 for under 45k, around the same price as their gas powered truck with the same trim. And it won’t compromise towing at all.

funny i was just writing something similar about EREV benefits when you posted this..

 

[ScooterAsheville]

EREV is only a single powertrain.

I didn't say an EREV has two powertrains. I said it has two powertrain technologies, just like a hybrid.

 

[ScooterAsheville]

I didn't say an EREV has two powertrains. I said it has two powertrain technologies, just like a hybrid.

And I was grimacing as I wrote my post, because I knew people would not read it correctly. I knew a bunch of retorts were going to come my way about how I didn't know what EREV was, or that I didn't get the difference between serial and parallel hybrid tech. Sigh.